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2024-11-03 01:23 am
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I’m playing Nine Sols

This is one of those settings where being a Taoist gives you magic powers. The main character is a rationalist who despises religion and superstition, and I think he was a former member of a group that opposed Taoists politically. He still uses Taoist powers, because they’re not superstition if they work. I lowkey love this.
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2023-10-05 02:59 am

An Arknights thought

Even on the misinterpreting-fiction website, I never see anyone misinterpret or miss the point of Platinum’s backstory. People always get exactly what it means, even if they don’t have the words to describe it.

To try to sum it up myself, there’s an idea Rationalists call Moloch. Imagine a society where everyone makes what seem to be rational decisions, but they combine into an overall situation that hurts everyone. Everyone would be better off if society changed, but nobody can coordinate well enough to change it. This society, intended by no one, is the same result you’d get if a demon intended to create a society where everyone suffered for his amusement, and Moloch is the name used for the metaphorical demon. Doing things that entrench this society even further is referred to as “serving Moloch.”

Platinum’s backstory is about her realizing that every level of power and influence in her society has been consumed by Moloch, from ordinary people up to the leaders. There is never a point where you climb high enough to be happy or safe, and both people like Platinum who serve Moloch and people like her bosses who initially seem to be Moloch are just cogs in the system.
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2023-09-21 10:22 pm

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An aside: not all Rationalists color the curtains blue, since they can write entire stories in beige. But of all the folks I’ve read, Rationalists are most likely to have blue curtains where you actually have to think about why they’re blue. Even in college, I was assigned stuff that didn’t bother with the curtains and straight-up lectured me about how “eating meat is destroying the planet” or “America has lost its way and needs to return to Christianity.” It baffled me to go from writing where people pay lip service to symbolism to writing where people actually care about symbolism.
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2022-10-08 06:13 am

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There were these interviews with the scriptwriter for 12 Years a Slave where he talked about how horrifying it was that this intelligent, accomplished person could be enslaved. I saw one person react by saying he was putting a weird amount of emphasis on social status, as if it would be less messed-up to enslave a lower-class person.

I don’t expect people to know that several years prior, he argued that poor black people were only poor out of laziness. He never wrote anything like that again after the backlash. But it felt frustrating to see someone groping for the reasons why his other statements felt odd, knowing there was a missing piece that put it all together.

Sometimes people talked about how a certain rationalist blogger’s political statements seemed questionable at best and heartless at worst, and I remembered the time he told me genocide was a good thing. Or . . . I know some of you won’t be as offended by this as I was, but there was this one rationalist blogger who told me disabled people should be paid less for the same jobs as abled people, and in my worldview, that was the unforgivable statement that made all his other questionable statements make sense. I can’t have any reasonable expectation for people to know they said those things. It’s just frustrating sometimes.
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2022-09-23 01:19 am
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The World as It Appears to Be

This is probably the best “rationalist” fic I’ve ever read, which really puts into perspective why I’m not much for “rationalist” stories. One commenter said approvingly that the problems the characters deal with keep getting bigger and bigger until the issues at the start of the fic seem almost irrelevant. But I was interested in the issues at the start of the fic! It was already dealing with something potentially massive in scope, so making it even bigger and even bigger beyond that just took away from my ability to relate to any of it.

(Actually, I had the exact same complaint the last time I read a Buddhist fic. Though that was complicated by my other disagreements with Buddhism.)
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2022-08-08 08:48 pm
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Honestly, I think “too reluctant to dismiss racists as not worth listening to” is the biggest flaw of the Rationalist subculture.
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2020-04-29 08:24 pm
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Written in response to a post about transphobic hiring practices at a Rationalist nonprofit

More broadly speaking, Rationalists are the only group I interact with on the Internet where, when they accuse each other of doing bad things, those things are actually bad. Normally, I see people accuse each other of doing bad things, and those things are basically irrelevant and tied way too heavily to ship wars. I guess there's the occasional scammer like Sixpencee, but it's never as awful as the stuff Rationalists accuse each other of. Since I have no idea which accusations are true or false or somewhere in between, I end up feeling like I might be doing something wrong by interacting with Rationalists at all.
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2019-10-02 09:07 am
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My actual problem with the Rationalist community is that someone like Kontextmaschine or Voxette-VK gets reblogged all the time for their “insightful posts,” and then they post something abhorrent about how it’s right for some people to subjugate or exterminate other people, and then they keep getting reblogged and no one ever mentions it again. It’s like, am I the only one who remembers that they said that? Doesn’t anyone else think those comments give some insight into the real reasons behind their other opinions about things like government intervention or disability pay?

Weirdly, the one person who consistently gets held to task for awful posts is Scott Alexander, and I have no idea what makes him different. People complain about Eliezer Yudkowsky, but more in terms of finding him cringy than in terms of disliking his opinions. There’s also Communists who aren’t Rationalists, get called out once by Rationalists for the exact same awful takes as these Rationalist authoritarians, and then never get brought up again because Rationalists aren’t into Communism much.
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2019-07-15 08:10 pm

A flaw in how rationalists argue

Inspired by responses to this post.
 
I can’t read facial expressions, and I’m bad with tone of voice, so I learned to analyze word choice and sentence structure. Give me a few paragraphs of a political post, and I might not be able to tell you what the speaker believes, but I can probably figure out what their friends believe. Phrases and rhythms have trends just like clothing. Each unnecessary flourish is a marker of who you hang out with and what arguments they’re likely to expose you to.
 
Some people have a very plain, straightforward style of speaking. It’s not necessarily simple, but they’ll use complex or technical terms only when those are the most appropriate words for what they want to express. They avoid metaphors, dislike obfuscation, and keep their emotions out of the argument unless you really piss them off. With no adornments, these people can be anything from anarchists to techno-capitalists to particularly atypical Platonists, and it’s quite difficult to guess before they directly express what they believe.
 
I’ve found that rationalists often speak in the straightforward style. I’ve also found that they are very sensitive to the idea of “reading too much in,” and go by the exact meaning of the other person’s words, without reference to some different person who also used those words. It’s understandable that you would be wary of guessing, if people guess wrong about you, and in some ways, it’s laudable not to jump to conclusions. But it also leads to a lot of time spent trying to reason with people whose speech patterns mark them as fanatical beyond convincing.
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2019-04-22 01:11 am

I’m still playing Exist Archive

For a game about “the power of the human heart,” it sure is taking a mechanistic approach to the whole thing. There’s a sense that if the characters get out of this alive and sane, they’ll do so not through affection or gumption, but through logic-ing out exactly how magic works and where the break points are.

Is this a Rationalist JRPG? Because I’m kind of into it.
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2019-03-29 10:43 pm
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A thought in praise of Rationalists

Inspired by this exchange

A joke Stephen Colbert once made: "God is love. Love is blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God." This is an actual argument style, and some people get surprisingly far with it. I think one of the defining traits of Rationalists, as a community, is that they are very good at noticing when anyone tries to argue this way.
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2019-02-12 09:40 am

Today I learned that there are rationalist multiples

I am surprised and impressed. I’ve always felt a little awkward about how both rationalists and multiples read my work, because I was afraid the rationalists were going to come in and start mocking the multiples for “faking” or “being crazy” or some shit.