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Feb. 1st, 2023 01:37 pmThem: a lot of multiples are making it up.
Me: who are these multiples who are making it up?
Them: a lot of them.
Me: AAAAAA
Me: who are these multiples who are making it up?
Them: a lot of them.
Me: AAAAAA
I’m playing Rogue Legacy 2
Jan. 14th, 2023 06:29 pmI don’t understand the plot at all, but there’s one bit that my mutuals might appreciate. A statue tries to read your soul to see if you’re worthy of its power, then goes “Wait, how many souls do you have in there?”
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Aug. 25th, 2022 06:41 pmFrom an external point of view, you can frame “multiples” as separate personalities, and that gets you an accurate depiction of their behavior. So when you ask “are multiples real, or are they faking?” you’re asking “which of these personalities are P-zombies?” And I can’t even prove I’m not a P-zombie.
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May. 16th, 2022 01:20 pmDiscourse grenade: if some folks engage in kinky sex because it’s hot, and some folks engage in kinky sex to cope with trauma, does that mean some kink is traumagenic and some kink is endogenic?
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May. 14th, 2022 03:12 amCome to think of it, is there a distinction between self-describing as ”multiple” vs. ”plural”? Is this like bi and pan?
I’m reading A Tribe of One
May. 3rd, 2022 03:29 amThis is very on-brand as a Dungeons and Dragons novel. It’s also a textbook portrayal of traumagenic DID as it was understood in the ‘90s. It squares this circle by realizing that traumagenic DID is perfect for an angsty D&D adventurer who feels misunderstood by other people.
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Mar. 10th, 2022 05:01 pmBad news, multiples. I’m being told you don’t exist.
(Seriously, sometimes the entire Fandom Secrets community can go fuck itself.)
(Seriously, sometimes the entire Fandom Secrets community can go fuck itself.)
Still playing Arknights
Apr. 29th, 2021 10:42 amNightmare became multiple because they were exposed to magic rocks. Ptilopsis hears voices from being exposed to the same rocks. These devs do know that hearing voices isn’t the same as being multiple, right?
I don’t deny multiples’ lived experience. Let’s start with that. Each headmate is a person.
Some multiples have visitors. People come from other worlds, hang out in the headspace, and go away again. Even if I don’t believe their worlds are real, the visitors are apparently real enough while they’re present.
Reality shifters believe the worlds they visit and the people they talk to are real. That seems like the equal and opposite of having a visitor in your headspace. Perhaps the people the shifters talk to are real for the duration of the conversation, whatever “real” means in this context.
Other shifters are horrified whenever a shifter goes to a world and tortures someone there. They say that’s like torturing someone in real life. What if they’re actually right?
Some multiples have visitors. People come from other worlds, hang out in the headspace, and go away again. Even if I don’t believe their worlds are real, the visitors are apparently real enough while they’re present.
Reality shifters believe the worlds they visit and the people they talk to are real. That seems like the equal and opposite of having a visitor in your headspace. Perhaps the people the shifters talk to are real for the duration of the conversation, whatever “real” means in this context.
Other shifters are horrified whenever a shifter goes to a world and tortures someone there. They say that’s like torturing someone in real life. What if they’re actually right?
The Bounds of Belief
Jan. 24th, 2021 03:48 amOriginally posted in response to a post about how to be religious while being LGBTQ.
This looks like a good way to not be a person who thinks it’s good to hurt yourself. My way of thinking about morality is heavily focused on how not to be a person who thinks it’s good to hurt other people. Those aren’t always the same thing. If you can rewrite or reenvision your religion such that it’s okay to be you, that’s certainly better than the alternative. But what if there’s some other person, different from you, who you can’t legitimize while staying within the bounds of your religion? I’m afraid that leads to condemning that person for things that people outside your religion would recognize as harmless.
For maximum “I’m going to regret posting this”: I also get this vibe sometimes when multiples talk about mysticism and how they incorporate multiplicity into their view of metaphysics. They take a lot of precautions against becoming a victim of something like the FF7 house. They don’t always seem like they include precautions against becoming the leader of the FF7 house.
This looks like a good way to not be a person who thinks it’s good to hurt yourself. My way of thinking about morality is heavily focused on how not to be a person who thinks it’s good to hurt other people. Those aren’t always the same thing. If you can rewrite or reenvision your religion such that it’s okay to be you, that’s certainly better than the alternative. But what if there’s some other person, different from you, who you can’t legitimize while staying within the bounds of your religion? I’m afraid that leads to condemning that person for things that people outside your religion would recognize as harmless.
For maximum “I’m going to regret posting this”: I also get this vibe sometimes when multiples talk about mysticism and how they incorporate multiplicity into their view of metaphysics. They take a lot of precautions against becoming a victim of something like the FF7 house. They don’t always seem like they include precautions against becoming the leader of the FF7 house.
I am surprised and impressed. I’ve always felt a little awkward about how both rationalists and multiples read my work, because I was afraid the rationalists were going to come in and start mocking the multiples for “faking” or “being crazy” or some shit.
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Jan. 13th, 2019 09:01 amSometimes I think about how multiplicity would work in the Persona setting. I mean, there’s no reason to assume an entire system would have only one persona. So the active persona would most likely depend on who’s fronting. But Persona already has canonical characters who switch personas: wild cards, who’re “empty” inside and switch their behaviors depending on who they’re talking to. So from an outside perspective, wild cards and multiples would easily be mistaken from each other, despite a very different interior life.
I almost said that multiples would be well-suited to fighting the otherwise overpowered wild cards, but of course the solution to fighting one person is to send more than one person.
(But judging from the incredibly stereotypical multiple assassin in P5, I have zero faith in Persona’s ability to portray multiplicity well any time soon.)
I almost said that multiples would be well-suited to fighting the otherwise overpowered wild cards, but of course the solution to fighting one person is to send more than one person.
(But judging from the incredibly stereotypical multiple assassin in P5, I have zero faith in Persona’s ability to portray multiplicity well any time soon.)
Otherkin, DID, and Acceptable Targets
Dec. 8th, 2018 05:28 pmThere was another post on Fandom Secrets about how otherkin are crazy and we shouldn’t be normalizing them. As usual, people responded with posts about how fictionkin are crazy, and as usual, people responded to those posts with posts about how people with DID are crazy and should be “treated.”
There’s a lot I could dig into about the different conflations various posters made, and the ways in which they assumed particular traits existed across every single member of the groups they discussed. But for now, I want to assume a system with almost every trait they discussed. Some members are otherkin, some are fictionkin, they believe in reincarnation, they believe in parallel universes, etc. Should this system be treated differently compared to “everyday” people? And what factors do you use to judge how to treat them?
I’m all about boundaries, so I’ll bring out one specific post in that thread:
“My crazy abusive ex was part of the mpd/did and -kin community. And I used to be friends with a few people who were basically FF7 House, except with slightly different fandoms.
“Holy fuck it’s amazing how many of these people are absolute manipulative pieces of shit. I will never not consider it anything but a cult. Yeah, I met a couple who were legitimately nice people who knew they had a serious mental illness / weird coping mechanism. (Amazingly, they all stayed on the ragged fringe of the community bc admitting you have a problem and trying to fix it so you can live a normal life isn’t exactly popular in a cult.) But far too many of them were full-on Join Us or Die. And these weren’t confused teens, these were adults.
“They take young, fucked-up kids who need help and support, and instead use that confusion and isolation against them. The reason you don’t have friends and your family abuses you is bc you’re Special, you’re the fucking Moon Princess. And all you have to do to get “friends” and a community where you belong and an explanation for your fucked up head is to admit that you aren’t really you.
“And of course, it can’t just stop at pretending to be something on the internet. All of these community leaders are ‘out’, so maybe this young person feels like they should be out too. So they out themselves as some crazy shit to their family and friends and of course no one understands, which isolates them further. And because so many of that subculture are mentally ill, it give the manipulative abusers tons of easy fodder.”
Personally, I have never talked to anyone who told me I was a wolf. No one has ever told me I’m Sephiroth, or an elf, or psychically linked to hobbits on the astral plane. That’s why I can get along with otherkin and fictionkin. I don’t believe what they believe, but I probably believe tons of things they think are silly, too.
But every time I see an account of otherkin and fictionkin being absolute jackasses, it always starts with some troubled young person being told they, too, were otherkin or fictionkin. And for that matter, I’ve read about disgraced psychologists who made up DID diagnoses and then controlled their patients’ lives to “treat” them. I can’t argue that all recruiters are abusers, but at the very least, abusers like to recruit.
If I may go broader, this is the distinction I make for all sorts of things I don’t believe in. The religious fanatic doesn’t just believe God wants things from him; he believes God wants things from me, and by not doing those things, I’m going against the will of God. The conspiracy theorist believes the conspiracy controls not just the world she lives in, but the world I live in as well, and conversely, I believe the global warming denier’s continued pollution affects my world as well as his. Only from an anti-vaxxer do I not accept “Well, you can vaccinate your kids and I won’t vaccinate mine,” and that’s because I’m sickly and can’t take some vaccines.
