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Jul. 31st, 2020 12:47 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
feotakahariFor real, though, I actually do think fics about how women all want/deserve to be abused are more of a threat than fics about how how children all want/deserve to be abused. But that's not a property of the fics themselves! That's a property of bitter all-male social spaces that convince themselves women all want/deserve to be abused. Fics about abusing kids are less of a threat to the extent that social spaces that justify abusing kids are less common. (Existent and horrifying, but less common.) And I think fics about abusing women will become less of a threat if we can convince people to leave social spaces that justify abusing women. I don't judge or hate people for their fics, and it seems like people still write these fics even when they're in a healthier social circle and don't believe all that stuff.
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Date: 2020-07-31 11:05 pm (UTC)"Children should more-or-less be treated as if their stated desires and preferences don't matter and should have basically no control over their own lives" is a mainstream approach to parenting. In fact, lots of people will think you're a weirdo and a bad parent if you don't parent that way, and lots of what I'd consider good parents will actually feel shame and guilt about not controlling their children more (e.g. my mother feels guilty about how much control she let me have over my own diet when I was a child). This is usually justified in terms of training the child to become the sort of adult mainstream society wants to exist, but "children like structure, they really want to be controlled and told what to do" pro-authoritarianism arguments also exist. And this isn't even getting into how control and abuse of children is institutionalized through the school system.
And those fundamentalist Christian "to train up a child" people seem kinda analogous to misogynistic incels here; self-reinforcing communities of privileged people who are angry that we collectively decided to start treating an oppressed group better and who plan to be the reaction they wish to see in the world.
Of course, yes, this sort of child abuse culture is not primarily transmitted through fanfic or even through fiction in general. It's mostly transmitted through laws, institutional procedures, parenting advice, judging comments of the other parents at the PTA meetings and weekend barbeques, imitating the parenting style of one's own parents, general cultural "common sense" (which is mostly transmitted without being explicitly taught), etc.. There's a general lesson about society in there, I think: the most destructive abuse cultures aren't subcultural, they're a society's mainstream values and transmitted through its mainstream social channels; if an abuse culture has to use something like fanfic as its primary transmission route you're most of the way to winning the war against it. Back when sexism and racism were mainstream they were transmitted in the same way the culture of authoritarian parenting is transmitted now.
Also, I think this about erotica fics, but the most pervasive child abuse culture is non-sexual and is directly about control and power. Racism and sexism were also directly about control and power when they were mainstream. I think there's another lesson in that.
If you're talking strictly about pedophiles (which I think you are)… rapey pedophilia-excusing social spaces are probably less common than rapey misogynist social spaces, I guess. I don't think it's easy to know which type of social spaces is more dangerous; children are much more disempowered and vulnerable than most adult women, which seems like it might cancel out misogynist rapists being more common than pedophile rapists.
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Date: 2020-07-31 11:42 pm (UTC)(I once saw an investigative article into an anonymous forum by and for child molesters. It was probably the worst thing I’ve seen in my life.)