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Entanglingbriars: "Most ethical systems allow for actions that go beyond the standards of baseline morality and are extra-good; in utilitarianism the standard is absolute and there's no way to exceed it which, when I tried to do utilitarianism, led me to believe that everything I did that did not actively contribute to others' wellbeing was evil. The last is more of a scrupulosity problem on my part, but it is consistent with the standards of a consequentialist ethic."

Systlin: "
Odin’s not a force to simply toy with. He will ask you do do things.  There will be work. And while I joke, it’s because I’ve earned the right to do so. I’ve walked the path. I’ve done the work he asks, and am still doing it. I’ve journeyed to places higher and lower, and faced fears I didn’t even know I had. I’ve offered sweat and blood and tears, and in return…well. 

"In return I’ve been given much. It is worth it, every bit of it and then some. 

"But what walking with Odin is not is simply an easy way to make corvid friends. That is a way he watches out for those he favors, not a fun novelty."


A god may ask you for sacrifice in return for blessings. A god may tell you that the person you are now isn't good enough. But I am not a god, and I don't particularly care what you do or don't sacrifice.

The first mistake is to think of utilitarianism as something that tells you whether a person is or isn't good. A person is that which feels happiness, and feeling happiness is good.* It's true that happiness can conflict with other happiness, and people can behave in ways that are selfish or cruel. But they're still people, and they are to be helped to the extent that helping them is possible.

The second mistake is to think that there's a level of good action below which you're "not doing enough." You're existing as a person, and that's a good enough standard for utilitarianism. Now, I won't claim to neutrality or pretend I never judge. I'm human enough to have my own likes and dislikes. But that's just me being me, and it has no higher value than me. There's no cosmic scale, above and beyond an individual person, that will tell you your actions are insufficient.

If you choose to spend a year building low-income housing, that is good. If you choose to give five dollars to a homeless person, that is good. If you choose to care for your ailing parent, that is good. Utilitarianism is something you use to determine those things, in those times when good is something you want to do. But it won't tell you what you are, and it won't rank you on a leaderboard. It's a tool, nothing more and nothing less.

*And yes, that does mean a dog is a person.
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 Originally written as a response to this post.

This interests me, because I was also bullied in school, and I turned out very untrusting of social contracts in general.

At the school I went to, there was always one student in each class who was the unofficial designated victim. So long as the bullies only targeted this one student, they would never be punished or made to stop, and the victim would often be punished if they tried to speak up. I think my homeroom teacher chose me because of my different cultural background–I wasn’t used to figurative language and commands phrased as questions, and she interpreted my misunderstanding as deliberate defiance and mockery. When I left, my friend switched to being the new victim because she wore cheap clothes, and I’ve heard of other victims who probably had behavioral disorders.

To be clear, there were students who would have at least attempted to be bullies in any school. But in a healthier environment, they would have been made to stop, as opposed to only being reprimanded when they targeted students other than me. And in a healthier environment, students who were nice and friendly wouldn’t have internalized the idea that bullying me was okay. Even if they never showed any inclination towards bullying, they still targeted me sometimes, because they were acting within a social structure where bullying me seemed like a fun and harmless thing to do.

In retrospect, I suppose I could have distinguished between explicit and implicit contracts like OP did. But that was never a thought that crossed my mind! To me, the system that allowed me to be bullied was a social contract, just as if the teachers had created an explicit rule saying “It’s okay to bully Feo.” Instead, I dug into the idea of the students who bullied me despite not normally being bullies, and the ways in which their normal instinct not to be bullies was stifled. I wouldn’t learn the term until years later, but I was trying to build a moral code that would be resistant to the Lucifer effect.

This is how someone who’s fundamentally against sacrificing one person for the good of the many arrived at Utilitarianism, which is so often criticized for allowing the sacrifice of one person for the good of the many! When you take it for granted that any system of specific rules can potentially lead to sacrificing someone, and that people won’t even consider it a bad thing so long as the sacrifice follows the rules, then the only thing you’re left with is a system where sacrificing people is always worse than helping everyone.

In retrospect, I wonder how I would have turned out if I’d concluded that we just needed explicit rules saying that bullying was always wrong. I don’t think that’s a conclusion I would come to now, though. There are people in this world who are very good at interpreting rules to mean whatever they want to mean, and there are other people who listen to their interpretation and think following that interpretation means they must be morally pure. The only thing I can think of to do is to take their rules away.

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 I give a lot of reasons for why I’m a Utilitarian. To be honest, only one of them really matters. I flip out easily at the concept of acceptable loss of human life.

Don’t get me wrong. I recognize that you don’t always have the power, resources, knowledge, or opportunity to save everyone. Sometimes all you can do is help a few people, because you don’t have any better ideas for how to help more. I don’t begrudge anyone for doing the best they can with what they can.

But when loss of life is accepted, it’s so often planned into perpetuity. When a serpent handler dies from snakebite, newspapers interview his or her congregation. They always take it in stride, because God must have wanted him or her to die then, and they continue these practices in full knowledge that more people will die from them in the future. Avoidable death becomes just another part of the cycle, and they lose track of the idea that living has value.

Or compare the proud patriot who thinks American soldiers must constantly fight to stop terrorists. Wars aren’t to be questioned, because saying they were unnecessary denigrates the soldiers who died for them. War becomes an ongoing background, something that will never end and should never be expected to end, and flag-draped coffins are a part of the cycle.

People die all the time, and rarely for the right reasons. People died to dig the Panama Canal, and people are dying to build soccer stadiums in Qatar. People die because they had no food, or water, or shelter, or simply because no one cared enough to help them. Then the people who lived come up with reasons why others dying was actually okay, and why the systems that killed them should be kept in place. But at the very least, we can plan for fewer deaths this time than last time. We can look at how and why people died, and we can decide what to do differently to reduce the toll. 

That’s why I’m a Utilitarian, because we strive for the greatest good, not just the same amount of good we’ve always had. Sometimes we screw up, and sometimes we run out of options. But if we have any wisdom at all, we don’t say this is just the way things are.

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